What's Left of Maplewood (MN)

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Tuesday, January 02, 2007

Where is the Money Going?

Commenting on my last post, our regular Longrie sock puppet asked, "So where did the money go?" She floated a few theories, but as usual provided no documentation -- they're just the usual Longrie smokescreens (joining the ranks of "I don't believe Bob Cardinal could have written this letter!" and "I never told you to do the background check in-house!" and "I believe that senior managers were planning to organize all along, and it's just coincidence that they did it while I am mayor!").

It's hard to figure out exactly, but we can take a preliminary stab at where the spending increases lie. Looking page 10 of the 2007 draft budget, we can do some simple math to get the changes in total by classification.

In total, spending is increasing by $1,506,390. This is slightly more than the property levy increase (that being $1,443,970), so we can see that it's almost all being put on the shoulders of Maplewood property owners. (Hence the property tax levy is increasing almost twice as much as city spending.)

The spending increase breaks down as follows:

Personnel Services: +$863,770
Commodities: +$13,060
Contractual Services: +$692,540
Capital Outlay and Depreciation: -$118,520
Other Charges: +$55,540

We've been assured that there are huge payroll savings due to getting rid of all these "overpaid" senior managers, on the order of half a million dollars or more. Over and over, we've been told how cushy the jobs are and how overpaid Maplewood employees are. We've also been told that Human Resources was dissolved and replaced by Copeland's office and the new Bethel & Associates, to handle labor negotiations. The idea I guess is that Bethel would do a better job of negotiating on the city's behalf, and cost less to do the job. In terms of benefits, we also heard a lot about how health insurance costs were being held steady. And of course we're supposed to be saving money with a lower cost city attorney.

If we believe Copeland and the Longristas, what we should expect would be a decline in the personnel classification expenditures, and perhaps a modest increase in contractual services (as some of the old HR staff budget moves out of house to Bethel).

Instead, we see a big increase in personnel costs, and a huge jump in contractual services expense.

If there is $500,000 in savings from the staff reorganization and firings (as Longrie's sock puppet has claimed -- though without citation, leading us to wonder where this person gets that specific figure), and we add that to $863,770 in new spending on personnel, then all else being equal, the average Maplewood employee must be getting a 8.1% increase in salary and benefits next year. In fact, it should be more than that, since experienced and supposedly high-paid managers let go (Fursman, Coleman, Anderson, Banick) are presumably being replaced by lower-level employees with lower starting wages. Factor that in (and keep in mind that health care isn't the source of the increase, thanks to the new plan that Copeland touted and claimed credit for), and we should expect the typical employee who was with the city last year to get a pay hike over 10% maybe? That's pretty generous for a tough, experienced negotiator to hand out, especially if there is supposedly a mandate from the council majority to rein in the expenses.

It looks to me like Bethel can be added to the list of costly incompentents that the Longristas have invited to gorge themselves at the city trough.

Remember the document that used to be on the city website, justifying the Xcel tax increase? It claimed that the Xcel tax increase would be used to lower taxes. The TV media dutifully reported that Maplewood was lowering property taxes. It was a flat-out lie. I think Copeland clarified at the meeting that it was really a reduction in next year's expected tax increase -- not exactly the same as a tax cut -- but they successfully inserted the lie into the public consciousness, and gave their supporters a false justification to cling to.

A similar deception has been perpetrated vis a vis spending in the budget. Time and again the Longristas talk about the big savings they're getting by firing and reorganizing and negotiating hard. But in the end, where are these alleged savings? The bottom line is more spending and higher taxes -- and the loss of the experienced, competent people who had successfully held down spending and taxes in past years.

29 Comments:

  • At 12:57 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Hi I am back. What am I called 68.564.whatever?

    I have to comment on the conclusion of this posting, "The bottom line is more spending and higher taxes -- and the loss of the experienced, competent people who had successfully held down spending and taxes in past years."

    Yes, the first part is correct that for the 5th or more consecutive year, we have more spending and higher taxes. But where I raise questions is on the second half of the statement about the loss of people who had successfully held down spending and taxes in past years. This seems false.

    From looking at the numbers, I hardly call increased spending and increased taxes going up at two or three times the rate of inflation to be considered "successful". I have no problem with losing people who failed to keep spending and taxes equal to inflation.

    These so called experienced people that we lost seem to only be experienced in spending money like drunken sailors.

    I can cut new people a break, but to see these experienced people not get it right after how many years on the job?

    While it is great to see the extreme broad breakdown on new spending, I have to say that seeing personnel services rise $863,770 means nothing to me. Did they hire a new janitor? Were there pay raises? Is 65,000 of this Fursman's windfall payout upon his leaving of the city?

    Other charges? What is this?

    We need more than the executive summary to figure out where the money is going.

     
  • At 10:25 AM, Blogger Frostbrand said…

    You're still visiting us from 64.131.7.123, if you're wondering.

    With regard to the past, as I observed previously, the average over the past decade is a much lower rate of increase than this council is giving us. Yes, it has been higher than inflation, unfortunately -- but given two numbers for tax increases higher than inflation, I'd prefer the lower one.

    You can see that the biggest jump in Maplewood's tax levy occurred the year after the election of Governor Pawlenty -- in other words, during the widely publicized period of big cuts to local government aid from the state. I'm not aware of any big new cuts in that area this year to explain the new increase, but maybe you can point us to some news articles that show otherwise.

    After the huge leap in the tax levy in 2003, each subsequent year had a lower rate of increase, suggesting that the staff and manager at the time were reining in costs and succesfully learning to deal with the changed circumstances. Now this coming year we see a reversal of the trend, with a Copeland's budget giving us twice the tax increase we had last year.

    Your logic about new staff versus old is not persuasive. While the taxes were rising in the past, the rate of increase was declining each year in the last three years. Now they are suddenly rising a lot faster -- and your argument is that we "should cut new people a break"?

    This seems to acknowledge that the "new people" haven't quite figured out what they're doing yet, so we should give them time to learn on the job. In time, maybe they'll be able to do as well as the departed people who, according to you, themselves could not "get it right." Maybe some years after that they'll be able to actually do the job they were hired to do, as we would expect them to do it?

    And really, the "new people" we're talking about are the Gang of Three and Copeland. I thought the new hire, Copeland, was chosen and then made permanent because he was fully qualified to handle the job right now. Apparently the Gang of Three meant he was qualified to be put into the job and given a few years to learn how to do it...at OUR expense.

    > We need more than the executive
    > summary to figure out where the
    > money is going.

    I agree that I've only been scratching the surface. It's a shame that Copeland's executive summary doesn't provide a clear, concise, and accurate answer to your question.

    I invite you to help, by digging deeper into the budget or pointing us at other public sources of the relevant information, so that we can better understand where our new crew of drunken sailors is throwing our money away.

     
  • At 10:40 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    The Troll certainly seems to equate Fursman with Saddam Hussein. Everything wrong in Maplewood is Fursman's fault. Please, you bore me. The only thing the Troll's slams against Fursman do is reinforce the fact that Fursman's termination was a personal vendetta.

    Troll, what will be the response from you 3 when the multitude of recent lawsuits filed against the City result in thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars in attorneys fees and settlement costs? It will cost the City plenty that's for sure.

    Troll has his head shoved so far up his nether regions it's very apparent that the lack of oxygen to his brain has caused significant dain bramage.

     
  • At 11:10 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    "I can cut new people a break, but to see these experienced people not get it right after how many years on the job?"

    The troll has been putting forth the fearsome threesome and their lackey as the saviors of Maplewood. If they are so good and know what they are doing, why does he need to cut them a break? It just doesn't even make the least little bit of sense.

     
  • At 12:28 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    The "Troll" is probably Diana's husband or his sidekick Zick.

    Also, did the city figure in the costs of legal fees and lawsuits in this budget?

     
  • At 2:36 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Hm. I'd say something, but it looks as if it's already been said in the previous posts. "Cut them a break." What a profoundly absurd concept.

     
  • At 5:58 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    "Is 65,000 of this Fursman's windfall payout upon his leaving of the city?"

    What a fascinating way to spin Fursman's firing. The "windfall" was the remainder of his contractually obligated salary. As has been previously pointed out, we'd have saved Copeland's salary as well as a lot of legal fees had the Gang of Three simply retained Fursman rather than firing him for not being Republican enough for Dear Diana.

     
  • At 9:31 PM, Blogger Frostbrand said…

    Heh.

    As we said months ago, it's funny how Diana tries to spin Fursman's firing as saving the city money. The Longristas have a talent for loudly claiming credit for all the money saving things they do (like hiring a cheap, incompetent city manager; or a cheap, incompetent city lawyer) -- but failing to mention all the ways that their poor decisions cost us more. Someone who only listened to their rhetoric would think spending was being slashed, money saved left and right, and taxes falling like Copeland's dignity each time he kowtows before God-Queen Diana.

    The severance package to Fursman falls 100% on the Longristas. They chose to fire him without cause, they knew the price of that choice when they did it.

     
  • At 1:19 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I see how each subsequent year after 2003 showed a lower rate of increase. Where you lose me is in how this points to the staff and manager successfully learning to deal with changed circumstances. You mean after Fursman having been a city manager for 15+ years he finally in year 13 of his employment just started learning how to bring forward smaller increases?

    Or are you claiming that changes in state aid somehow changed the operation of city government? That change was simply a one time shift. That's it.

    What I don't get is how this super high performance experienced staff we used to have didn't seem to be doing much better then the new green people we now have. Tax increases two times the rate of inflation versus three times of the new people isn't much to brag about in my book.

    I think you are missing the point of what an Executive Summary is about. I find Copeland's Executive Summary to be well prepared and short in length like it is supposed to be. If the questions I raised were in an Executive Summary, it wouldn't be an Executive Summary. You have to dig into the budget to get the answers that will bring you to the conclusions that you have been making.

    You can't say they are wasting money if you have no idea where the money is being wasted.

    In response to the lawsuits, the city has insurance. Now I don't think that having insurance is a good reason to get into litigation but the insurance is there and let's not try to scare people into thinking that some judgement is going to be won against the city which is going to drive it into bankruptcy. This is simply not true. The League of Minnesota Cities Insurance Trust Fund is large enough to handle any lawsuit. I forget the exact numbers, but they have a boatload of money.

    Most large cities do figure in the costs of legal fees and lawsuits into their budget. They probably have a reserve fund which is kept funded above the maximum deductible. Only the backward cities like Gem Lake pay for lawsuits out of their pocket on a year by year basis, requiring property taxes to double in years of major lawsuits, because they do not have a rainy day fund to speak of.

    The windfall for Fursman was not exactly a contractually obligated salary. Salary is for work that is done and Fursman didn't do any. The $65,000 is a severence package that the Cardinal council approved and put upon future councils. Note that the Cardinal council had the option of 0 months of severance or the maximum of 6 months severance. What did the Cardinal council choose? The maximum of 6 months, the maximum allowed by state law. Now was that wise? Why did Maplewood have to give away the farm?

    Why was Fursman fired? Who cares. The majority hires the city manager. The city manager doesn't work for the people, he works for the majority of the council. Maybe he had a hard time figuring that out. I don't know and don't really care.

    The Fursman firing does save the city money. His replacement is paid less, and even after giving Fursman his severance windfall, Copeland is still cheaper.

    The cuts against the city attorney seem a little cheap. Doesn't that law firm represent cities like Fridley? If so, are we now bold enough to say that Fridley has incompetent legal representation? Does the mayor of Fridley agree with that?

    Copeland's dignity each time he knowtows before Longrie? The word dignity doesn't even apply here. The manager is an at will employee. Plain and simple he works for the majority or he quits.

    The severance package falls upon those who chose to give away the farm in his contract. I presume the Rossbachians and Juenemanites played this role in the Fursman contract.

    The same thing can be said about Mike McGuire. The council that negotiated his salary gave away the farm on the severance package, and then the Cardinal council violated the non-disclosure agreement and McGuire got even more money.

    Maybe if the previous council hadn't negotiated such a bad contract, the Cardinal council wouldn't have been stuck paying out the huge severance package to McGuire.

    Funny though in that the Cardinal council did the same thing as the Longrie council, which was to pay out a large severance package to departed manager, but it seems that some of the writers here would rather forget about the Cardinal episode. Selective memory...

     
  • At 8:45 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    The Troll (Kevin) is using inflationary numbers based on the CPI, the real measure of inflation for municipal government is the Implicit Price Deflator (IPD). Maybe if The Troll stops sniffing the Mayor's gavel, he would realize this.....

     
  • At 9:45 AM, Blogger Frostbrand said…

    Longrie's sock puppet wrote:

    > Or are you claiming that changes in
    > state aid somehow changed the
    > operation of city government? That
    > change was simply a one time shift.

    Coincidentally, in ONE year prior to this, we had a double-digit tax levy increase. That might be what you describe as a "one-time shift." Exclude that one year, and every other year is well below the 2007 levy increase.

    > What I don't get is how this super
    > high performance experienced staff
    > we used to have didn't seem to be
    > doing much better then the new
    > green people we now have.

    Last year's levy increase: 5%. This year's: 10.2%. And you don't think that last year, with half the rate of increase, was "much better."

    Uh, OK. You have an interesting way of lowering expectations any time the performance of your people is involved.

    > I find Copeland's Executive
    > Summary to be well prepared and
    > short in length like it is
    > supposed to be.

    Are we talking about the same 193-page document?

    > If the questions I raised were in
    > an Executive Summary, it wouldn't
    > be an Executive Summary.

    You don't think your question, "So where did the money go?" should be answered in the executive summary of a budget? Instead, council persons and citizens should "have to dig into the budget to get the answers"?

    Uh, OK. You have an interesting idea of what an executive summary is supposed to be.

    > You can't say they are wasting
    > money if you have no idea where
    > the money is being wasted.

    I suppose that may have been the plan. Hide the waste with a useless executive summary, needless reorganization, and arbitrary reclassification of expenses and changes to departments. Then, when people raise questions about the information they can figure out from this mess, you dismiss them as baseless because nobody can understand this budget, and thus can't identify waste in it.

    Uh, OK. Gosh, isn't it great how everyone can have opinions?

    Let me suggest that there should be a clear answer to your simple and obvious question -- "So where did the money go" -- and the fact that you haven't been able to point us to it, in one document or another, tells us something. Copeland is incompetent at budget preparation or explanation (i.e., his job), or he does not want the answer to that question to be clear; or perhaps both.

     
  • At 10:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Does anybody know how much LGA(Local Government Aid) Maplewood receives? How much did Maplewood receive before the "cuts" to LGA?

    I would think Maplewood would not receive as much LGA as a lot of other cities in the state. This isn't exactly a "poor" city that needs help from the state. Yet, for the most part, it's not Edina or Eden Prairie.

    Someone(Kevin) mentioned that Copeland is cheaper. He's right on the money with that. He's cheaper because he has no experience in his position and is just doing what the mayor and council tell him to do. Most City Manager salaries in the Twin Cities area are right around, or over $100,000 per year. Brooklyn Center pays their City Manager over $100,000 per year. I would tend to think that Maplewood is better in pretty much every way than Brooklyn Center. You pay for experience, and with that, you get a quality manager that'll stay here for a longtime. How much is Copeland being paid?

     
  • At 10:10 AM, Blogger Frostbrand said…

    More food for our troll...

    > In response to the lawsuits, the
    > city has insurance.

    Yeah, so what I don't get is why Longrie has made such a big deal about trying to reduce litigation, if it doesn't really matter because the city has insurance.

    > Most large cities do figure in the
    > costs of legal fees and lawsuits
    > into their budget. They probably
    > have a reserve fund which is kept
    > funded above the maximum
    > deductible.

    Probably? But you don't know for sure? It would make sense (and I thought I heard some reference at some meeting to reserves for litigation), so why can't I find it in the 193 pages of the budget?

    Why don't you help us by identifying the page of the budget where we can find it, and see what changes are being made in this area for 2007 (increasing or decreasing reserves for litigation)?

    On the topic of Fursman's severance:

    > Note that the Cardinal council had
    > the option of 0 months of
    > severance or the maximum of 6
    > months severance. What did the
    > Cardinal council choose?

    IIRC, Hjelle's motion gives Copeland a 6-month severance package after his "probationary" year. Why did he "give away the farm"?

    Cleverly, Copeland's probationary period will be up after the elections but before a new council is sworn in in January 2008. This means that even if a new council majority is elected next fall, the Longristas can vote to keep Copeland regardless of the election results, and give Diana's friend a nice parting gift of six months' salary after the new council fires him. Do you think that was wise?

    > The Fursman firing does save the
    > city money.

    http://maplewoodmn.blogspot.com/2006/06/math-skills.html

    I was not then working in the cost of Copeland's severance windfall, which I think he'll end up getting.

    It's disappointing that, after campaigning against the flaws of the past (real or fabricated), the Longristas are, once in power, doing all those very things -- just to help themselves and their friends.

    > Copeland's dignity each time he
    > knowtows before Longrie? The word
    > dignity doesn't even apply here.

    LOL, I may have to agree with you. It's hard to lose what you don't have in the first place.

     
  • At 10:42 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    The problem here is that The Troll (as the moniker he is most known by) seems to be a zealot. A true believer, a fanatic even. He or she feels so strongly that their position is correct that it has stopped being a matter of facts for them. Rather it is a matter of faith, not at all dissimilar to someone who is intensely religious.
    Unfortunatly, that means that no one here will ever be able to convince the Troll that their beliefs are incorrect. Reason alone won't do it, it would require something that profoundly affected them personally to shatter the wall of faith they've built.
    Of course, that doesn't help The Troll any. As their claims are consistantly debunked, their arguments must stray further and further from fact and logic, making them seem all the more absurd to those who read it.

    Eventually the Longristas will push so far (if they haven't already) that the citizenry will lash against them (likely in any upcoming election where one of their names is on the ballot). Unfortunatly, the damage will already have been done, but that's beside the point. When it happens, the Troll will likely as not gripe about how whatever problems the city suffers are caused by the current administration, and if only we had kept the Longrie tag-team in power.... ad nauseum.

     
  • At 10:45 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    One would think that the contortions the troll has to perform in order to defend Diana would be getting pretty painful by now. He is getting less and less logical. Just ingnore the pesky facts and turn the argument in a totally different direction. In the meantime, we are just supposed to open our wallets and pick up the tab while they are "learning."

     
  • At 11:23 AM, Blogger Frostbrand said…

    Jackson, I think you're basically right about the troll. She's a lost cause.

    Even if the troll is not actually Diana, she serves as a good proxy for the Longrista arguments and way of thinking. There are striking parallels between the logic of the troll and what we see coming from Longrie and her proxy, Copeland, in terms of trying to distract the public with misleading statements, non-answers, red herrings, incomplete data, and simply false claims.

    I mostly came into this blog to have fun mocking what was immediately obvious to me this spring, namely, that my city had been taken over by a posse of clowns. I mean, Hjelle "The Chump" from day one just begged to be lampooned. Over time, I've gotten more serious about it, as they've done progressively more long-term harm to our community. Also, over time, we've gotten a LOT more readers.

    Our troll is an irrational zealot, but as a proxy for the Longrista party line, think of her as a scratching post to sharpen our rhetorical claws. She floats the same trial balloons that the Longristas send up in council meetings and in the media. In those contexts, there is rarely a chance for someone to call BS on the mayor -- but here we can do it, and provide direct links to documentary proof that the Longristas are wrong.

    Even the troll had to accept the numbers I produced for past levy increases, something I might not have bothered to do if it wasn't for her challenge. She then changed her argument from "the past five years were all double-digit tax increases!" (demonstrably false) to the new claim, "the past single-digit tax increases were bad, but the new council's double-digit tax increase is OK, because they and Copeland are new and don't really know what they're doing!" (which is a statement of opinion or belief that you can't really disprove, only laugh at).

    In the last election the Longristas succeeded by pushing the former argument (the lie) to a lot of voters who didn't know any better, and certainly had felt the pinch of rising property taxes (from all levels of government) in recent years. In the next election, I look forward to their campaign slogan being "Give us another chance, we're still learning and we may eventually get it right!"

    I hope any prospective candidates will read and study this site, and get an idea of what it's like to debate a Longrista, and be better prepared to counter the arguments and distractions they will produce to try and stay in power and excuse their mismanagement.

    I also hope that Maplewood voters will continue to read this site, and offer it to neighbhors as a place where they can learn what's going on in Maplewood politics, with a different point of view than the cheerleading propagated out on the city's website and newsletter, and join in the discussion with their own information and analysis.

    It is those readers' eyes, not the troll's, that our postings and comments are really aimed at.

     
  • At 11:33 AM, Blogger drawnLeftward said…

    [re Frostbrand 11:23]

    What he said.

     
  • At 11:42 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Who would want to work for Maplewood under the mentally ill logic of the gang and their sleep in foot warmer.
    Lets see...You get a job at the city...you try to do the best job you can...as years go by, you get reviewed and some raises, (maybe).
    The more duties and experience you aquire, you should get compensated for.
    Now...heaven forbid, the gang is still around.. Now your making too much money for the effort of doing a great job and taking on more duties. You must be fired!!
    "We don't want experience...we want cheap"
    "Thanks...now get out!"

     
  • At 12:46 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    They don't seem to understand that cheapest is not always best. You usually get what you pay for. In order to keep the best and brightest, you have to pay for it. Otherwise, you are left with the ones who can't jump the fence to greener pastures. (i.e. all Diana's unemployed friends)

     
  • At 12:47 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Don't get me wrong. I think the arguments you're putting forth here are important, if nothing else because sooner or later, they will be put before someone who will make their decisions based on facts (unfortunatly, that will most likely be a court of law.) You do good work here, keep it up!

    Besides, you've put out some darned funny stuff in the past.

     
  • At 3:05 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    The League of MN Cities is not some financial cash cow for cities to use when they err. The League will pull their insurance coverage when a municipal blatantly ignores the law and knowingly creates a liability for the city.

    Basically, the City knew that terminating Sherrie Le was unlawful and terminated her anyway. Copeland's Mission Statement for the 2007 Budget clearly states that the department heads were reorganized as a result of their attempt to organize a labor union. That is also a blatant PELRA violation.

    Is the Troll trying to say that the League is just going to continue paying whenever the City screws up? Is the League aware that this is how the City plans on cleaning up all their legal battles? By paying for it?

    The League has already threatened to pull their coverage due to the Council's total lack of regard for state and federal laws. I guess we'll find out won't we.

     
  • At 3:34 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Interesting that Mr. Hjelle and Mr. Cave wanted to have those kind of protections when they were disciplined as city firefighters but apparently that only applies to them.
    Again, as they continue to seek fulltime employment, (any kind of employment in Mr.Cave's case),with the city. It will be interesting to see their interpretation of employee's rights.

     
  • At 10:51 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    "The Longristas have a talent for loudly claiming credit for all the money saving things they do (like hiring a cheap, incompetent city manager; or a cheap, incompetent city lawyer) -- but failing to mention all the ways that their poor decisions cost us more."

    Mr Nose. I know you were cut off before, but I would like you to meet someone...Mr. Face.

     
  • At 4:05 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Anonymous said:
    "The Troll (Kevin) is using inflationary numbers..."

    No, Kevin is me, aka Brainiac4. The Troll is someone else, and has a very different viewpoint.

    Another Anonymous (possibly the same one) said:
    "Someone(Kevin) mentioned that Copeland is cheaper. He's right on the money with that."

    A lie! I said nothing of the sort. I said not firing Fursman would be cheaper than Copeland.

    I'm not on your side, Troll.

     
  • At 4:36 PM, Blogger Frostbrand said…

    I think our anonymous commenter was meaning to identifying the frequent troll as Kevin Berglund (a matter of speculation, not a confirmed fact, AFAIK), the mayor's husband, not you.

    All the anonymity gets confusing. :)

     
  • At 8:11 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Yep - What he said....Troll "Kevin" is exactly what I was implying. How about "TK" for the troll's name instead.....

    You know, there is a lot of cities we can look at to make some sound decisions on where we go from here. I would suggest that someone host a roundtable discussion with elected officials from Roseville, Afton, Farmington, and other cities that have had dysfunctional communities. Then we could set a plan for correcting things....

    On another note, someone should contact the ICMA (International City Managers Assn.), (the MN City Mgr. Assn), or any local organization along the same line, and tell them that you oppose any membership for Dopeland and his small (severance) package. Be sure to point out his conduct and history and how it is in opposition to their code of conduct.

     
  • At 11:16 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Getting a roundtable of disfunctional cities together sounds like a good idea. Problem is that you would have to invite them all.

    Why is that when we only read about a handful in the paper? Well most cities don't broadcast all their council meetings and those meetings are where the decisions are made. Supposedly good cities like Stillwater were holding meetings in bars from what I have read. The list goes on and on. Maybe we have to limit it to the first 25 that respond to our invitation.

    People better hope that Copeland doesn't join the ICMA or the state level organization (MCMA). Those people are like the mofia in that they protect their own kind to all ends. I believe that membership intitles them to free legal help for a limited amount of time. It also gives them resources in how to squeeze more money out of city councils.

    They also have retreats they call "professional development seminars". Real seminar when the next one is scheduled for February 23 at the Edgewater Resort in Duluth. Looks like 4 hours of seminars with dinners, continental breakfasts, (substantial food), recreation, etc.

    As their website says, these manager types are "a family." You could violate city ordinances, illegally fire employees, and the ICMA will respond by saying "manager perogative".

    If citizens want to change their form of government... I have read articles that the ICMA will come to your town with pockets full of cash if you even think about changing your form of government away from that of strong city manager. They will spend whatever it will take to defeat any attempts. I heard they spend over $10,000 in a town in CT.

    Remember that Fursman belonged to this group, and after his firing, two of those manager types started attacking the council members in the paper. If Copeland joins, then when he is fired, two more manager lackeys will come out of the woodwork to attack the new council in support to Copeland. Don't fool yourself thinking that they will support one manager over another. This is "a family"!

    Sincerely,

    TK (with chew in his gum)

     
  • At 10:14 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Ok, so first off, the cities with a way to do so do broadcast their meetings over some public acess TV station, and from my experience, that's quite a few.
    Secondly, your new arguement is "at least Copeland, unlike Fursman, isn't part of the Manager Mafia." Are you serious? You really think a City Manager's union is the secret powerholder in small towns across America, and Copeland is the only thing standing between them and Maplewood? If that was the case, where were the legions of defenders with money and influence ready to protect Fursman when he was fired? Two other managers writing op-ed pieces seems a pretty poor showing to me.

     
  • At 3:35 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I thought those two outsider managers attacking the council was significant. I never expected a well armed contingent of managers to decend upon city hall, with pitchforks in one hand and masters of publiic administration degrees in the other.

     

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